I assume that one of the swarm (cloud?) of robotic Watchers must have “noticed” my mention of Denis Noble in my recent post as a representative of “hard” Science (Biology, in his case), because there in my Youtube list of offered Entertainments was a talk by someone calling himself Professor Dave entitled “Denis Noble is a Clown”, with a thumbnail of the old fellow with a red plastic nose superimposed, presumably in case anyone didn’t know what a clown is.
I must say Dave looks far too young to be a professor, but then that’s probably just my old-fashioned bias, and everyone looks a bit too young to me these days to be whatever it is they are, including the Police. Of course maybe all these guys, from professors to policemen, get trained along the same lines as the kids you hear about in Ukraine who get hauled off the streets, given a gun, kicked around in boot camp for a week and then sent to the front line – more than a week’s training being a waste of resources as a week is about the length of time they’re expected to survive. But of course that may be a calumny, and certainly the amount of factual knowledge our Dave displayed was enough to entirely bamboozle me (not to mention the speed of his delivery) – but then, again, he appeared to be claiming at one stage that all this biological bamboozlement was what kids learn in sixth grade (which I think means when they’re ten or eleven) so maybe that puts things in perspective; however he also proved his point with many explanations of modern developments in Biology, Genetics and Evolution, some of it centring around the once-vexed question of the Darwinian versus Lamarckian evolutionary models. I think it’s only fair to point out in passing that Darwinism, or a version of it, was warmly espoused by the Nazis, whereas Lamarckism was, for a time at least, favoured by the Communists. I don’t think this says anything about the factuality of either line of thought, but I think it does say something about the History of Ideas, about how ideas get formed in the first place. …Which may be relevant to what follows, or may not.
Professor Dave has, apparently, 4-odd “M” followers, which I think means four million, which certainly appears to be a lot more than old Noble the Clown commands. I notice this feeling of majority, of being a mainstream, seems to be a trend among the True Scientists, especially those who like to style themselves Debunkers – what they’re debunking being of course old fogeys, people who haven’t kept up with The Science, people who complain about the attitudes of “mainstream” science, politics, media or whatever, and of course who lean towards conspiracy theories.
Just as an aside re the Mainstream, I don’t really keep up with much of the Mainstream Media reporting, but I have a distinct impression that the European – or certainly the British – Mainstream media isn’t saying an awful lot about a current talking-point that is shifting into the Mainstream in Russia, both in government circles and amongst the general population: this is the question of if, or indeed when, a nuclear attack on the West may be necessary to dissuade our Western leaders from their current policy regarding repeated drone attacks on Russian infrastructure and installations. Just a thought – and irrelevant as far as Professor Dave goes, except maybe insofar as the Mainstream has become a potent force in what we regard as democracy – or indeed of thinking of any kind. The clash of these two mainstream views, Western and Russian, will I think not be resolved by “democratic” means (as in, which view has the bigger following) but by hard facts, and let’s just hope the facts won’t be too hard and that western leaders can get past their default ooh, that was such an unprovoked attack! position. Nuff said. Anyway, Prof D’s 4 million I guess makes him a representative of a Mainstream – especially when he exclaims about one of Prof Clown’s nonsensical statements “nobody believes that any more!” a view which I guess will pertain at least until another, maybe bigger, Mainstream comes along and whacks him, because in this sphere I doubt whether Hard Facts ever actually will – though that will probably depend on what manner of cool practical things you can do with your theoretical knowledge..
The scientifically right-thinking, or mainstream – or whatever you like to call them – bloggers, or post-ers, as in the debunkers, do seem to have one thing in common: they tend to be young (though I do remember one lady with an annoying lapdog who used to spend a lot of time tearing John Campbell to shreds over remarks he’d made about Covid, and who wasn’t exactly what you’d call a spring chicken – as in not the way Prof D looks). The young debunkers tend, like Prof D, to be quite amusing (sometimes almost, but not quite, to the level of a real comedian, who as a breed tend to be of a more sophisticated mind-set) but are invariably brash, disrespectful and indeed generally insulting to whoever their particular target is. This may be because they are genuinely angry at the unscientific nonsense that they feel bound to contradict, put down, ridicule, or whatever is involved in the art of Debunking. I think when one particular Grand Old Man of science, Richard Dawkins, took to debunking in his later years, it was out of genuine anger at the Creationist movement in America – but I have to say it wasn’t a pretty sight, and probably best left to the youngsters to play the fool in this respect. I always found The Selfish Gene itself pretty convincing (apart from the title, which was stupid, but I think the author admitted that), but then the convincingness may have been because he claimed – and the claim has been well supported – that he understood “the Math”, whereas I definitely didn’t and so bowed to his superior skill. I forgive our Richard a lot however because he has been known to say that he loves taking part in carol-singing at Christmas: Christmas carols always make me cry, so my sympathy is naturally excited, but I have yet to try and analyse the whole weeping phenomenon: I hope Richard never tries to, as the result would almost certainly be disappointingly facile. But I stray again – as old fogeys tend to do.
Dave’s efforts at comedy aren’t too funny, though they might appeal to – for all I know the audience they were intended for – fourteen-year-olds. I prefer a bit more style in comedy, and I also don’t find angry comedians very attractive: I seem to remember Ben Elton managing to hold a balance, back in Thatcher’s days, whereas that Australian guy (Tim something, I think), denouncing the hippy girl for her New-Age nonsense, was embarrassingly unfunny – presumably he was angry on account of his dearly-held Materialism being impugned. And maybe, who knows, Prof D is a bit pissed off because of the adoring girls, which I come to now….
I first came across Denis Noble in a Youtube interview led by a young woman of clearly scientific capacities (ie I couldn’t understand a word she said, but the old Prof seemed to.). But what interested me was the something that tugged at my memory on watching the interaction of this pair: the withered old man being treated with – not even respect, more adoration – by this strikingly beautiful young woman. It came to me eventually that there was a book written by my friend Paul, which I must have somewhere about here in the extensive lumber-room that is Coldhome and whose title I forget (no disrespect to Paul there – I notice even as I look back on what I’ve written here, that there are gaps everywhere in the text, sometimes highlighted with **???! decorations, where I’ve forgotten the word that was the whole point of the sentence I had been writing and will have to return to before I publish this post. Paul’s book explored various – I suppose you could call them recurring – instances in which there appears a pair of strangers (actually historical characters out of philosophy or the history of thought), one of whom is a wise old man and the other a beautiful – and sometimes somewhat disreputable – young woman. I can’t give any more details, though I shall try and winkle out the text at some stage from whatever pile of dust and debris it’s hiding in: suffice it to say that this pair appeared as something archetypal – and that, in a word, was the thing that most struck me about this interaction between Noble and his interviewer. I don’t imagine that Professor Dave has any idea what’s meant by an archetype, but no matter, I’m not writing this for him.
What I’m interested in is in fact not the matter, the content, the truth, of what either Prof D or Prof Clown are saying, but more their manner (or lack of manners, in Prof D’s case), because it strikes me very forcibly that there is a major, and quite consistent, phenomenon here: it may even represent the “meaning” of the archetypal pair, in as far as archetypes have meaning. I found myself saying the other day to one of my daughters “it’s the job of the young to know stuff, and the job of the old to be witless wanderers” – so my mind must have already been straying along these lines before I was paying any attention to either of the Profs. Professor Dave bluntly states that Noble is one of a line of scientists who make their mark when more or less young and then in their old age when they’re resting on their laurels and still considering themselves Real Scientists, go on to adopt cranky or crackpot ideas and generally suspect conspiracies around every corner when they’re not taken seriously by the mainstream scientific community (who I must say on the whole give more and more the impression of a rabble that could do well to get a training in decent etiquette – maybe their adherence to Scientific Truth makes them feel above any of that kind of stuff). He cites the “water-memory man” Luc Montagnier as another example of what he reckons Noble to be, Montagnier being a gone-cracked Nobel laureate..
I was waiting, some years back, for a bus at the Dundee bus Station. It was very crowded, all the benches had been taken and even the low steps bordering the platform were occupied. I was one of the ones left standing, but suddenly a young fellow – a student I guessed, probably Thai – leapt to his feet and offered me his place on the low step. I managed to restrain my (typical, probably) first reaction of “what, do I look that decrepit?” and his English wasn’t up to my explanation of how, though I might well get down to the step, I wasn’t sure if I’d manage to get up again (ha, I’m a lot fitter now, though I will say that my hair started to go grey in my late teens so I’ve played the age card for many a year); anyway he left me standing with a slightly worried expression on his face, and I couldn’t but wonder how many of my own young compatriots would have even thought about making such an impractical, but touching, offer. It struck me quite forcibly that the boy was probably from a culture that had a different attitude to the elderly and – coming up to the present instance, I wondered if in academia you would get many far Eastern academics laying into an old, even dottled, colleague in such a disrespectful way.
So what is this thing about respect for the aged? Professor Dave clearly thought – may even have suggested it – that Prof N had become so dottled, so adherent to ideas that were outmoded – or even, by his estimation, disproved – that the old idiot needed to be swept out of the way. I don’t know if he’d have been wrong, but I do know that we look on the mental disintegration that starts (actually) when you’re somewhere past thirty and begin to run on a reasonably sound autopilot for a bit as, if not just a shame, then practically a sin. I call my old pal Calvin “good boy” when he manages to stagger out to piss on the grass instead of on the rug, and it does seem to be a point of honour for him, caught up in the human hierarchy as he is; I’m not sure that we don’t think the same way with the old of our own species: there’s more honour in being able to do a crossword or a Sudoku puzzle than in rambling over some old memory that you’ve confused with some other more recent one. We just don’t have too much time for the articulations of the disintegrating mind.
But I actually I wonder if it really comes back to the business I mentioned in my last post about moral consciousness. Take the business of the frog I touched on there. You assume, as a proper (materialist) scientist, that the frog won’t have any idea why another living frog, or one of its limbs, has been sewn on (successfully sewn on, yes!) to its body, and even if it did wonder and you tried to explain to it that the whole thing was part of a very important experiment the benefits of which would far outweigh any inconvenience to it, an individual frog, you would probably finish up frustrated and fall back on look, I’m doing it to you because I can. This doesn’t come into the same category of depravity as making it part of your Sunday afternoon picnic entertainment to select some random nigger-boy for the sake of watching him getting lynched, but I would argue it’s on the same spectrum of indifference towards our fellow-creatures. I would suggest that such actions, which both, in their different ways, demonstrate defective moral consciousness, would tend to be something more likely to be observed among younger humans: that’s to say, among those who believe that they exist in the fullness of their own prowess, that they understand, or press on towards understanding, how the world Truly Is (sometimes harsh and brutal, but they’re up to that too) and, in the case of young academics, are exulting in the glory of their brilliant minds, which I’m sure Professor Dave’s is and his students’ are too. Sometime, as the years go by, that glory seems to fade a bit, the realisations are a bit more slow in coming, you may feel a strange admiration for, or resentment of, younger colleagues, and you realise, if you’ve been paying attention in your biology class, that your brain is starting to deteriorate. You are getting old, and the outward mark of this, which you sometimes try to cover up, are the white hairs that appear on your head. And more importantly perhaps even than the slowing-up of your once mercurial mind, you find that your mind becomes assailed – sometimes you resist this too – by greater feelings of gentleness in your outlooks and attitudes to others. You might even find the idea of sewing living frog-bits together a little repellent, however great the scientific advisability of such procedures, and you might even find yourself speaking in a respectful or even affectionate way of colleagues with whom you fundamentally or even violently disagree. These are, indeed, early signs of the Death Process, whereby you take leave of life, looking back on it with fondness and even a sense of wonder that you saw such importance in things which now seem a little irrelevant. This change of stance goes with the change to white hair to the extent that in times past this particular hirsute state was termed white-ness, or in older form wis-dom.
It could well be that a typical mark of “wisdom” is the development, as Professor Dave suggests, of “cranky” ideas. A culture that sees no value in wisdom will undoubtedly try to purge it as unnecessary, irrelevant and potentially harmful. After all, isn’t the progress of Science of ultimate importance? Rather like the stance of military readiness, when I think about it, which very much begins as the province of the young. If you’re some gone-gentle old dodderer how are you going to be any use in your country’s defence? This has become quite an issue in the various crises currently swirling about us. The voices of reason – as in, the advocates of peace – seem again and again to come from the retired military personnel, those who have seen action, have seen war, are far from pacifist in their outlook, yet seem to have a view of the preciousness of human life that has apparently passed the younger politicians by and is not expected of the still-serving military. People like Danny Davies, Douglas MacGregor, Scott Ritter, Lawrence Wilkerson are in many respects not un-hawkish, though they abhor what they see as bad tactical judgement, but – ha ha you can’t but notice it – you’re sounding a bit soft, old guys! Should we sweep them aside or should we attend to their wisdom?
I personally feel the growing gentleness is the default position; but I think the steps taken by many of the aging to control it may result in something that looks very different. Resentment of the young, abrogation of the gentle, a general stop put on the mind’s natural disintegration by means of a sort of forced fossilisation. Some favourite lines from T S Eliot:
Do not let me hear
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God.
You get some pretty nasty old types in academia, sitting in high places, clinging on to their reputation or whatever they call it and exercising whatever power they still have in keeping the science “hard”, keeping everything as it should be. Maybe there’s some sort of intellectual Viagra that enables them to do this, though I imagine comparable forces also apply to the military brass. I can’t remember the name of that military goon – navy, I think, might have been air force, it certainly wasn’t land army – who recently was urging British parents to be prepared to “sacrifice” their children (ie send them off to war with Russia, I assume); and I couldn’t but think, yes, this is one angry guy – he’s not even that old yet, but he feels the process starting, and what he actually wants is to see mangled bodies of youngsters scattered about a battlefield, especially the ones with pink or blue hair…. It was
It looks to me as though Professor Noble gets quite a kick – perhaps his main one – out of having a devoted following of young – well, he thinks they’re scientists, I guess he could be wrong, and I imagine a good few of them are quite pretty. That could be a piece of small, and harmless, vanity – though I dare say Prof Dave would regard it as a dangerous case of leading the young astray (like Socrates was condemned to death for) – or it could be that something is going on which “hard” scientists, with their heads full of numbers, could never really grasp. Personally, I think it’s right and proper that even a “failed” system such as Lamarckism should be remembered by young people – why? because they are young, because they represent the future, or one possible future, some of them may even (though unlikely) get funding for research; but more than anything else they represent the unpredictable; and perhaps, just for them, the gentleness and “crankiness” of their aged mentor may be of more value than all the scientific correctness of the bellowing Daves.
I keep thinking of Hoelderlin’s little poem “Sokrates und Alkibiades”, whose second half I’ll do a rough translation of (I don’t currently feel I have the mental capacity to do a proper metrical version). The first verse asks Socrates – another old soldier, when I think – why he spends so much time hanging around with handsome young Alcibiades (yes, I hear you young hecklers – grow up, will you); Socrates replies:
He who has thought the deepest loves what is most alive
he understands high Youth who has seen much of the world
and the Wise, often,
are inclined to Beauty in the end.
Oops – and almost forgot another old fave from TSE:
Old men ought to be explorers
Here and there does not matter
We must be still and still moving
Into another intensity
For a further union, a deeper communion
Through the dark cold and the empty desolation,
The wave cry, the wind cry, the vast waters
Of the petrel and the porpoise….
In my end is my beginning